Rich in his blog cricket-blog.co.uk, had a track back to my post and has expressed his views on Indian bloggers over-reacting unnecessarily. I couldn’t possibly post these in the comments section.
Rich… Welcome to cricketfizz, a blog and forum where anyone can register and contribute. I appreciate your view points and in response to your thoughts, here are mine.
I believe that you (England alright) and most Australian bloggers for the matter of fact have not understood clearly at all the areas which most Indians are unhappy on. There is too much generalization and the key points all seem to be conveniently washed out.
Am highlighting in bold some points you have raised for which my viewpoints will be suffice to argue our case.
Australia play the game hard..“ They claimed an unbelievable win”.
Let me tell you until the events which I will touch upon later in this post, almost all Indian fans deeply respect the Australian team for their cricket. A view echoed even by the Indian team. For an Indian fan, there is no other team which we are keen to play with other than Australia. Don’t believe it… Run through the archives of all these sites who are over-reacting.
3 decisions cause all this fallout?Now that’s a huge understatement. I don’t think you have watched this match in full at all. There are more than 12 decisions (a lot more in fact) and yet this is not the core reason for the fallout. I would request you to please download the entire match and preferably not watch channel 9 coverage, if you want to make any attempt to understand how it is not a question of 3 poor decisions but enough ones to run through a side. When umpiring can be this poor… Consistently poor with possible malicious intent, I think we have the right to protest.
Nobody is blaming Andrew Symonds for not walking. Nobody is blaming an Australian team for taking advantage of their luck. This seems to be the grouse everywhere that the Indian fans are angry with the Aussies for taking advantage. Yet, there are some cases that need to be noted, because they were agreed upon before the match between the umpires and the two captains! Clarke’s decision to stand his ground after a very Blatant nick to slip is equivalent to a batsmen getting bowled clean through his legs and stands his ground for a hopeful decision.
For 4 straight days, the umpiring was grossly… Yes, in quotes, bold, whatever… “grossly one sided”. Yet, to my knowledge, most Indian bloggers lashed out at ‘poor umpiring’ and never claimed that the Australian team were cheating, which most bloggers from other nations conveniently put words into our mouths claiming we are accusing them of being cheats! But then that is for almost 4 straight days.
The reasoning behind the refusal to continue the tour revolves around a potential racist comment made by Harbhajan Singh to Symonds, and if you believe what you read then there wasn’t an awful lot of evidence for this. However, don’t believe that you know the whole story as you can bet that the match referee made the decision he did for the right reasons – after a heated test he was hardly going to stir things up more just for the sake of it.
You are right about one thing. This Harbhajan issue is the reason for the fallout. You are clearly contradicting yourself by saying, however, don’t believe that you know the whole story etc. Do you know the whole story? Or does Mike Procter or Mike Provoker as I fondly call know the whole story as you claim? Mike Provoker before the hearing had issued a statement that neither he, the microphones or the 2 umpires heard anything. I put this in bold for you to understand further.
The following is not rocket science to understand.
From the place of this incident, the people who were closest were Sachin Tendulkar and Bucknor. There might be players around within any audible range but I would like to question your wisdom of how a wicketkeeper, standing behind a stumps (remember, even the mic’s didn’t pick anything!) could have clearly heard it or Mathew Hayden at the slips, could have clearly heard it or Ponting for that matter. Conveniently, all of these would be washed off by you guys. This is amazing isn’t it. The Australians in question all have super alien ears with high resonating ear drums to listen from such a distance and vouch for it.
Sachin Tendulkar in the press conference below had explained the nature of the conflict. There was nothing about a monkey there or nothing to indicate that it was heated except being something cry-babyish silly.
The Indians are upset and are claiming that this is a false allegation on the part of the Australians, which as it stands today, neither a Sachin Tendulkar or a Harbhajan Singh have called or heard him abuse Andrew as a “monkey”. Your Mike Provoker, did not take the statement of Sachin who was closest to the incident but took the statements of a bunch of guys who couldn’t have heard, considering the umpires didn’t either.
If Harbhajan had indeed said it or later admits to saying it, IF IT IS TRUE, he deserves whatever he has got and he will be flocked by the Indian fans for lying and bringing shame to a nation!! That’s not an understatement! As it stands now, he hasn’t said it and the wisdom of the referee was biased and clearly lacked intelligence.
Correct me here if I’m wrong. I don’t think Ricky Ponting filed an official complaint against Harbhajan in the last series. On what basis or records specifically is Mike Provoker referring to claim he has a past record of a repeat offence? Doesn’t an Australian team have a long and distinguished record for the same? Mike Provoker “believed” that he is guilty no better than how I believe Mathew Hayden isn’t human, judging by the way he bats.
And about this incident, one point seems to have been conveniently swept under the carpet. Who started this incident? Andrew Symonds told the media that he had a “crack” at Harbhajan because of some absolutely petty and friendly incident with Lee. How come there has been no fine, warning or anything of that sort dished out to Symonds!! Considering a history of a sour relationship between the two. Wasn’t this crack any violation at all.
A Yuvraj singh when he got out, showed dissent and was rightly and promptly booked for a hearing which Provoker let him off. A few hours later, Ponting showed an identical dissent and was NOT BOOKED at all for a hearing! Interestingly, Malcom Speed, the ICC president lashed out at Provoker for not dealing with Yuvraj and Ponting. In his last statement about this issue, Provoker admitted that he made a mistake to let Yuvraj go scot-free. What is for you to hear is there is absolutely no mention of Ponting.
I can assure you that there are enough reasons for us to not “bet” that Provoker did things for the right reason at all.
I’ll feeling about the way that Ponting and his team went about winning
Anil Kumble’s statement on only one team played in the spirit of the game was based on the fact that there was an agreement between the captains and umpires on low catch decisions. There were also talks between to play without sparking off any controversies, considering the last series with India was volatile.
Kumble’s views can be based on the fact that Michael Clarke did not take the catch. Everyone can focus on the fact whether the ball had bounced or not but conveniently ignore the fact that he never was in control of the ball and grassed it on the roll. The catch was never completed and feel free to look up on what a completed catch is! A series back when Australia played New Zealand, there was a stunning catch from Fulton (not sure exactly who) on the boundary lines, where the debate was similar and was graciously not called a completed catch.
Kumble’s views can be based on the fact that Ponting, the captain had grassed and appealed. All other bloggers can immediately point out Ricky’s integrity on having not claimed a catch in the earlier innings. So just because he is honest in one, do we have to take it that he is honest for all! How dumb!!
Australians abused the Indians too. Hogg called them a Bastard, which has very serious impact here in India in terms of the cultural sensitivity. The Indians did not choose to whine and whimp on it until, the Australians opened a can of worms!! Indians have not made false-allegations or have not been accused of it.
Many bloggers from other nations can highlight the fact that the Indians were appealing like crazy. They conveniently ignore the fact that the Australians were much worse on the last day and even got away with it and the decisions. The hat-trick ball from Kumble which was a close shout, almost as good as out, warranted a Bucknor to talk in length to Kumble who didn’t say anything and just looked grim, visibly pissed! So was Bucknor, exchanging pleasantries of the weather or explaining the decision? That doesn’t happen, does it? Warnings can be given, no-balls promptly called for one-side and ignored for the other, this is nothing more than a farce!
On the match been fixed… Absolutely. I’m not claiming that the Australians fixed it¦ but there is enough reasons to see the umpires did. Now please don’t tell me that I’m naive to believe umpires can’t fix matches. That’s bullshit! If an umpire has problems with a board or doesn’t like a team for the way it plays cricket, then they do fix. Don’t believe me! Wasn’t a Darell hair thrown out for false allegations in that Pakistan match? Was Hair right there? Everything showed that Hair had misused his power and the committee knocked him for that! Still there will always be a bunch of blind people, who will immediately say the Asian boards threw their weights and water down the fact that umpires have in contrary, a history of being deliberately unfair to a team!
Rich, you may feel that we have failed to appreciate Australia’s win which is by playing hard! But I think everyone has conveniently forgotten the fact that this match should have been won by India by almost a day to spare… A real serious fact that most bloggers from other countries don’t at all feel comfortable admitting that. They can all also say that if this match was a draw, then all of this would not have blowed up, which is short-sightedness to say the least. This series is in turmoil because of racial allegation charges which both sides differ on whether the word was said or not. For one nation, it is a question of national shame! And all Indians very much respected Australia for having played the first test match hard and having won! To say that the Indian team is boycotting because of bad umpiring is stupid to say the least. The issue is the racial slur. Period.
And for many to say that only the Australians played their cricket hard in this test match would be yet another understatement. India played damm hard!
P.S: Dear Rich… I have also directed several of my arguments to other blogger friends of mine and hence please take it in light that we are exchanging our different points of views. Cheers man

hey scorpy…
what an argument man!! you have rightly highlighted the fact that they are interpreting this conveniently differently…
rather than admitting the problem they are coming up with different funny and laughable theories…
there are certain things which are beyond casts, culture, place and countries and shows the character is saying and admitting that yes…there was problem…coz if what happened there was normal…then why it not happend in first test match?? why not in other ‘normal’ match…coz what happened there was SHAME
its all together different matter if one decides to look other way…but that is not going to change anything…isnt it???
SP… you have hit one thing straight in the head… the question of saying yes, mistakes were made and close it out. Instead they defend everything conveniently leaving out parts which are uncomfortable to answer.
I think you have covered everything quite nicely Scorpi.
See, there are any number of bloggers and forummers who are just in for the kicks of it.
I don’t think they are interested in understanding what went on or any articles on it.
At 606 it is open house where everyone is standing naked in their true selves. At a couple of other fora I see debate…good debate where there is a purpose…to exchange views, understand and learn from each other. Blogworld is very much like this…you have those who bring in themselves…some remain where they are, others with the purpose of enlarging their vision on the subject of their blogs are prepared for discussion.
You fellows…You Indians…You Asians…are probably the commonest words, along with further appendages, read in forums like BBC and any blogs these days. Predicatably, any response you give with an intent to unravel the whole thing are met with either no response or by further of the same fixed nakedness.
I also find many fair-minded bloggers/forummers who are capable of looking at it judiciously. My internet time is what I choose to spend…so I prefer to spend it from where I can go back with something worthwhile.
great and very thorough analysis……
Rich u r british cricket blogger…I always beleive this In order to understands ones situation one has to walk a mile in ones shoes….I would like to see your view and reaction when this happens during Ashes.
Hey Scorpicity,
First of all I absolutely take on board your last paragraph and the difference of opinions and debate are meant in only the right way.
I started to right a reply as a comment with some observations here but a bit like yours it started to get a bit long (Although I don’t think I can rival yours yet!). I’ll put everything together in the next couple of days when hopefully things will have died down a bit more anyway.
I didn’t even see myself getting this drawn in when I wrote the original post – and I hope that other people who read my blog will take it in the manner it was intended – my opinion.
KP you do have a point in that had this involved England then I might be seeing things in a different light but I was trying to bring a bit of reason to the debate and I hope people recognise that.
The world is lucky that I didn’t have my blog when we were in Australia last year as I was out there and it would have made for depressing reading such is my downer on the side when things don’t go well!
Hey Rich… am glad that you have not taken it as a personal juggle and just individuals expressing their different points of view. I look forward to your comments but I doubt I might continue further on this issue as all of these have made me loose my interest in cricket considering the way it was played in the test match. For now, am better off reading an Isaac Asimov book
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I only wish that people in the game admit, acknowledge mistakes were made and get on with the game… so far there is no signs of it… which is disappointing.
And yes Rich, we do appreciate your viewpoints and do take it in the manner intended. I would be visiting your blog more often and really look forward to see you write a lot more… cheers
Hi Soulberry… a small favour… can you please shoot across to me a couple of good discussion forums which you recommend. I would want to study these forums so as to enable me to bring some action in mine
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It has now come to light that Ponting and Gilchrist did not hear anything… thank GOD! Otherwise it would have been plain sick! Anyway, here is some info on the hearing case… http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ausvind/content/current/story/329742.html
hey scorpy…
ab aabhi jaa na yaar…where are you man!!
Hey SP… will be in soon… though not on this series… will catch up with you on your blog… cheers
http://www.cricforum.com/portal.php
http://thesillypoint.com/forum/
These two are among the better one’s going around.
There is also a slightly more excitable one , but controlled
http://newsallangles.com/cricforum/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=f4d5c31708b1c979ef006fe570540e99
Waiting for your next article.
thxs a ton Soulberry